S1 EP7 One time payment vs Subscription services

In this episode the hosts discuss one time payments vs subscription services. Which do you prefer? Hit us up and let us know. Speaking of hitting us up, you can do so now in the new Facebook Group, Faders Up Podcast. Other topics discussed includes Waves Ovox, Waves Music Makers Access, Issues with Ilok, Usb 3.1, and Behringer making a free DAW. Got some new mics. so for this episode we are using the Rode Podmic's going into the Presonus Quantum 2626.

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Transcript

spk_1:   0:00
This is the Faders up podcast.Who? Uh uh, welcome to the

spk_3:   0:19
faders up podcast. I'm Czar Pat. A young chaos was

spk_1:   0:24
going on. She boy, OSHA, You know it is.

spk_0:   0:26
And this is a podcast about pro audio. And beyond that, you can find us on Instagram at Vader's up podcast. All the hosts and guests that appear on the show Social media will be in the show notes. If you want to reach us, you can. It faders up podcasts at yahoo dot com And this episode we're gonna talk about one time payments versus subscription service is but first going to get into some announcements.

spk_3:   0:53
Oh, so yeah, we have a Facebook group. I'm excited about that because we know a lot of listeners are still on Facebook. Facebook is not only for old people is for all of us. So make sure y'all check us out on Facebook because we can just have more of a dialogue there, share updates about the show was going on, and, you know, just stay more in touch, so make sure you guys like and subscribe to our Facebook page. That's faders up podcast

spk_0:   1:19
and second announcement got some new mikes. So who hope you lose sound different on the sound better But we're

spk_1:   1:28
rocky. I visually I love the way they look.

spk_0:   1:32
Yeah, these These are the wouldn't say new They're not new anymore But these are the road pod mids and shout out to be a w broadcasts Supply world picked up these mikes of meth amid pot fist and I haven't heard of them before, But med um spoke with him and got a deal on these mikes and I figured we needed some new mike's anyway, So it's hard to check these out And, uh, speaking of new stuff also got a new interface in the studio. Shout out to preSonus. We got the new quantum 26 26 you know how I feel about internal pries. But we're actually using the internal priest of the interface

spk_3:   2:09
right now getting out the box.

spk_1:   2:12
So I guess we'll have a deeper reform that next

spk_0:   2:14
section we will is was bikes to We're going to get it to ah segment introducing a segment on this episode, which is called A Who's Been Pushing Faders up. And this is just a brief recap What? We've been up to and pushing Vader's up. Not just meaning musically, but just moves that we've been making.

spk_1:   2:34
Yeah, I go to kick it off. So what I have been doing, I'm is continuing to build up and build out my beats and bars. Brand I'm if you're not familiar. Beats and Bars is an interactive music event. Combines the fun of a party to challenge of a classroom. So it's kind of like Simpson strokes. But instead of painting teaching people how to make beat so we have to private party events right now, considering the times were in someone's just close, I'm still prices very still calculating that printed or published the final price. But for date night, it'll be like, I'm not even going to say yeah, until I know for sure.

spk_0:   3:14
You recently had your first event, right?

spk_1:   3:18
Yeah. Yeah, February 23rd. I did diving. You want tonight? We had an event. We partner would Ah, what? Another event called shoptalk. I mean, so we did the inaugural beats and bars event. I'm Dave. I was nice, man. Everything was good, but yeah, man. Thanks for asking. And I was super excited. That's where most of My creative energy is going right now.

spk_3:   3:41
Everybody is live. Oh, my gosh. I think I don't know. This is crazy, man. I have yet to scrawl my time without seeing somebody go live deejaying from the room. All that stuff so

spk_1:   3:53
they might see that delights thing yesterday. Apparently, it's some d j d night. I want to say apparently and is like some world famous person that so he went There we go. So I embarrass myself. But basically he did like a Facebook live like party from, like his house. Of whatever I think people hand like like either 100,000 or like a 1,000,000 views, some crazy like I need to go find the recap to Just like, cause my timeline blowing up about it is like and what did I miss?

spk_0:   4:27
Okay, All human moving, pushing favors. OK,

spk_3:   4:29
I have digital and analog failures at then we just stay.

spk_1:   4:36
There is a difference. I don't get it confused.

spk_3:   4:40
Kjr this. So child just released her e p 20 which I why mixed three of the four songs in Produced one and wrote one. So for me, this is I'm excited about it is doing really? Well, thank you. I'm proud of myself because it's probably one of my better projects. And for its one of my goals. I mentioned on the show last year. I think one of the first shows, it was my goal to have and artists released one of my songs. And so basically, yeah, this is really cool. So you all get a chance to check it out. It's called 20. It's on all platforms. I still I think on Google Play is not, but I will double check that, but yes, support stream. Appreciate it.

spk_1:   5:23
And we can put the link to that in the bio. Uh oh. The show. Right.

spk_3:   5:26
Okay. Yeah, that'd be dope.

spk_1:   5:28
So make sure. Yeah, I look for that.

spk_2:   5:29
Where? Just so that leaves me. Recently, I went to aa l a for, like, a week just to Ah, I guess pretty much sightsee. But what's all the Make some connection with some people I know live out there and meet up with some different companies, see what they got going, and ah, I mean, pretty much What? Anything, Max. So much faster out there. And I think the creative community is just It's

spk_0:   6:01
different. Was that your first time going? L

spk_2:   6:04
A Yeah, okay. Definitely First time going to l. A. But it was probably one of the most being official trips I've been on in While

spk_3:   6:12
you say faster. Do you mean like the rate at which people say, Hey, let's record the neighbor core Then they mix and then a put it out. Or are you just going based on

spk_2:   6:23
the city fast their way? But the pace of the city is different. So people so the creative community kind of just move different. So, like it's a little bit more open door, like they not really standoffish like it a more willing to collaborate it. Yeah, it's like a really like everybody like, Oh, you don't let's work. And when they say Let's work is like they mean you Let's go right now, you know, dead type. It ain't no, don't sugar coat anything. It's like, really And I mean a lot of people Price I did about they city or whatever, but it is definitely like that. Here, you are saying is not Ah, it's not is fluent in collaboration.

spk_3:   7:12
Mom, Homegirl is from It's not from, and that she's from Florida, but she lived in L. A for 10 years, and she said musicians and producers often do better there because, um, L A. Is more known for acting like everyone there more. So is trying to be an actor or actress, whereas not as many people are trying to be a musician, producer or whatever singer were here. That's the main, I guess. Creative market. So I can see where people are more willing to work because the I guess the cat claws aren't as sharp.

spk_2:   7:43
Well, I mean, think of it like this. There's more streams income, too, because not only do you have music, you got live music Israel being out there, You know, of course, a lot of clients I was going on in medium being used. And then you get pretty much majority of the TV. We're outside of Atlanta, is there? So you write it, you hands on without a TV networks and ah, entertainment. You know, uh, music supervisors. Are you writing a face

spk_1:   8:17
like real estate? They say location, location, location. I know. I mean, l a I've been out there like four times, and it's always for like, three times before the ASCAP conference. One side for the Grammys is like I love going out there every time is like the energy device, but it's also one in places that, like Bugs Bunny used to saying and nice place to visit. But I wouldn't wanna live there, you know? I'm saying so if I can get out there and I'm saying like once 1/4 and I'm saying, like four times a year, like for business, I do it, but I wouldn't like relocate weights and other side of the country. Oh, no. Hey, I may as well, just Yeah, I mean, it's the only reason I

spk_2:   9:00
say it is because it is just, like is one thing that say, Ah, well, you know, I get these opportunities over here and this over there and everything is right in front of you. And then you're saying it is totally different from 18 being right in front of you. Where is like I was telling somebody the other day, I was like, one year. One summer I went down on music row just to see how many buildings and get here, huh? Barely got past the lobby. Oh, yeah, I went to L a first visit, while Australian labels get past the lobby easy. But that's how open the creative community is that produces the songwriters, the artist they walking in and out of labels. It's not know. Oh, you got a no everybody to get in here. And now you don't have to be signed to a label to get a meeting with somebody like that. You're saying they they live produces, and songwriters were in and out of those labels because they do business. We're

spk_1:   10:01
going in there already with someone that that kind of knew what it

spk_2:   10:05
was like. I was just using it as an example. I have somebody that was kind of taking me around bled estimation of being there easy for strangers and just, you know, saying lingo with people like that. But you could tell the cause. Even when I went to studio decisions they would talk about like, Oh, yeah, you know, when I finish this song, I just walking to the person versus just e mailing all the time. That's dope

spk_0:   10:31
positive feeders that I've been pushing up recently came back from Orlando. It Ah, pot fist, which is a podcast convention My first podcast convention. Because since we've been podcasting, I want to learn more about podcasting in the show. Biggest thing about conventions to me is networking to me. No, the people. So I met a lot of other cool podcasters. The conference was cool. Felt a little disorganized at times to me. But, you know, my wife asked me what I go again. And I was I really got a I think about it. But I have been Orlando in almost 20 years. And it is, uh, yeah, this is totally different. Constantly building when I was last very active. CD is so, so much to do. Mmm. But this it made me realize just how which is a good thing, how many podcasters care about their audio. And people were excited to meet me because I'm an audio engineer. So I would have committed to doing is hopefully then the next couple months. But I'm gonna do Ah, you know me Course on recording and editing podcast. Just to ah share that knowledge with a lot of people that our podcast on good man Ah, forget our main topic. Want to get into a few sub topics? here in the 1st 1 being the waves over boxes. Has anyone else used it yet?

spk_1:   11:58
No, you would not last up. So no, that was you that was talking about it.

spk_2:   12:02
I saw the email with

spk_0:   12:05
day. I've never seen waves push a plug in bars the morning they were. And so they've every week. And I don't know if it was. I guess only the people's purchases is receiving this. But they've been sitting out presets every week, even a couple times a week of just presets that other producers and engineers have created

spk_2:   12:24
for not saying a bunch of videos. They send it to me a couple times they send me coupons to buy all types of How much

spk_1:   12:33
is it going for

spk_3:   12:34
thinking? 69?

spk_0:   12:35
Yes. I'll sell for sissies

spk_1:   12:37
off. It's a fight Quarter? Yeah.

spk_0:   12:40
Great plugging. It does more than he had foe Quarter harmony, Top box, like all that in one. And I think I ended a pain like 54 like 49 for nothing. I'm just waves hit a $20 off or something. I get well, I actually mix. I'm working on right now like I field really needed it. Oh, good I looked it up and put the effect you have auto tune tonight. Yeah, I don't have got Miller time, but I don't have auto tune.

spk_2:   13:12
Yes. Oh, you would. That would probably help you with some of the stuff you do that might need the idol toe stuff like that.

spk_0:   13:20
Just the creative possibilities with it. And I hooked up. This is mixed with the O box and everything. And uhm, Senator de Louse, who's gonna master it? He was like, Whoa, this is dope. And then I sent it to the artist, and he was, like, not have seen it. I've ended up, you know, start stripping it off of there, but yeah, which man? The creative possibilities with it is pretty crazy. It's if you don't know what you're doing. I like that it has a basic view. And then you got your advanced view because when I dropped open that advance, we always like What is this?

spk_2:   13:53
So what did the artist saying? What? They I don't sound like me or,

spk_0:   13:57
you know, they didn't want They didn't want the They didn't want the effect. Okay, Yeah, but it's one of those he's rapping, but he's kind of singing on the hook, but he doesn't sing. So I wanted the I wanted the old box to Hill. Yeah. Make that hook sound interesting, right? No. Gives him character. Yeah,

spk_2:   14:19
but he wanted here his real voice

spk_0:   14:21
way. It's not my song. So whatever you want to do with it, Yeah,

spk_1:   14:30
I think it'd be dope. Like, next sign. We have a product we're talking about. If anybody has it, you rock, like on the laptop. Well, I actually pull it up and, like, I don't know, for me, being a visual person like, it's easier to understand some, like if, like you're moving and Ivan, you're saying, Oh, you know, I'm saying, like I said, I would be dope if I don't rock on the laps out. But if you have a laptop or, you know, any time we want to talk about something that we use if you got on laps out, man. Just bringing in

spk_0:   15:00
Mrs K Oscar and started showing tail in here, I

spk_2:   15:04
mean, I guess pretty much like you, like you. The situation like that he can post the video on the pains. That's well, yeah, showing a political

spk_1:   15:12
act after okay,

spk_0:   15:13
I've already done the YouTube video on Just one had to the auto tune effect because it is really easy to do on there. Even when I set the auto tune Thio, I think it says hard neutral. I forgot the third setting, but I said it to like, neutral That could steal, like, really hear the effect which kind of bothered me at first. But then I thought about it like I've got Melodyne for transparent pitch corrections. I've got to really realize that o boxes really meant isn't a foreign, you know? Yeah, you know Well, the next time we got here is the waves music makers access, which really sparked the whole concept for this episode. But waves has now come out with their new subscription service and it comes with the silver gold and platinum package is and loose and already they had him.

spk_1:   16:09
And I'll explain why you say that. So the problem and I think you alluded to it earlier. It's kind of like when NPC tried toe come out with the MPC, Rennes Science and Stuff after Native Instrument machine already capitalized on that market that you can come out late and then do the do the less, You know, I'm saying, do the least amount. And so my thing. For example, if Slate Digital already has, ah, access everything for 14 99 ways you can't come out with. Okay, Now we're gonna get We're gonna get on the bandwagon now, But we're gonna give you levels, like, for your relate to the party, like, don't come late to the party and then say, Oh, I forgot to bring the drinks like way would wait for you to bring the drinks to the party, You know, metaphorically. You see what I'm saying? Like if you don't show up late, empty handed or not with everything that we need or that we expected

spk_0:   17:13
because these three the gold to see over the platinum I don't know really cares. He knows you would waves. It's to me. It's the studio classics Monday. All yeah, maybe I set sail leave the Abbey Road bundle. You're popular now, so it's like I don't want for that price. I don't want access to the database is because I want everything. Give me everything.

spk_2:   17:35
So are the bodies are dared subscription packages like rent to own or

spk_0:   17:42
so they had reached their own. They just kill bad and now did this in its place.

spk_2:   17:47
So I'm a paid $20 for platinum for the platinum versus 3 99 And I know for fact I'm gonna do more than 20 years of music.

spk_3:   18:02
Well, that's the thing, though. That's the thing, though. It's like this is good for people who are just getting into it, who are dealing in dallying, and they really don't know if they really want to do it yet. Because because you're right. I'm like, If I know this is what I want to do, I wouldn't waste my time with a subscription. And then two, and three years later, you've bought the product three times over. Um, and don't even mention interest when you miss a payment. Jeez, and right, so it's like you might as well Yeah, she's a cheese. And instead of saying Jesus Christ oh, way e, I

spk_0:   18:47
was I was editing couple episodes ago. She said it, and that's what I think I e like Jesus Christ and I said, I wish, she says. You just say he's

spk_3:   19:01
a rise from a track coach back A

spk_1:   19:05
like a like a little you get like a little what's where way

spk_0:   19:11
we'll get more to the thoughts on subscription service is. But the next thing on here Beringer is making a free dog.

spk_3:   19:19
They can stop me forward. Oh, I

spk_1:   19:22
feel like she just copping a lot and just like, difficult run Barrenger.

spk_2:   19:27
That's what I want to know for what

spk_3:   19:29
he's why exactly. I don't have his bear

spk_0:   19:32
injure. I want to say the Barringer has a bad rap is kind of being the bottom of the bureau. What a night If you want

spk_1:   19:44
me back in, like 56 when I first moved here because it was known that they didn't have a research and development department. So the rumor, what I believed was true was that Barrenger all they would do and you can see it in the models. All they would do was copy Mackey's designs and reverse engineered, But then, but they were I mean, we can see Bender came a long way. Just look at the x touch mixer. But I'm saying, like Benji definitely long,

spk_2:   20:12
So they're known for mixers and in the face is they've been

spk_0:   20:16
doing since too recently to they've been doing. They've been remaking like classic since bear injures. Also, if I'm not mistaken, the my tous I think they have some kind of ties with my tous doesn't live sound consoles, and they also have if you've seen those cheap 11 76 is and pull Texan nearly two ways was Clark Clark technique. I think I've seen it so that they have some kind of umbrella of Beringer, too. I don't know for them to make it, I don't understand. For the print to be free, I don't understand where there If you're not getting paid for it, how are you gonna continue to develop?

spk_1:   20:56
So So let me give you kind of my perspective from it on it, coming from an educator and somebody building a business right now where I'm gonna be teaching classes. Ah, 15 to 20 people. You know, I'm saying, um, that's attractive on one hand, because, like, hey, well, until I'm able to get what my ideal setup is. Okay, Well, I know we can use this for free, you know, I'm saying the dragon I looped samples, you know, whatever the flipside to is give for education. Right. So there may be a non music teacher out there. That's like a I want my kids to work on Pi CASS, you know, to discuss the Civil War or whatever is like, Oh, how are we gonna do that? Boom is a free app. Then, of course, given them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they have a end game in mind, but for me there's another free D a W out there in its on Leone windows. But remember sonar back in the day? Cakewalk. So Cakewalk bought the company called Band Lap. I don't know if you heard the Band Lab, but it's the app you can use on your phone, so Band Lab has a D A W as well. They keeps crashing, is a free It's free. That's what we you for. The First Beats and Bars event, and it's cool. Just save, you know often. And even if it crashing, pull it back up. So you have man lab. If then you have cakewalk bann lap. It's the same company, but cakewalk Band Lab is a full fledged D a w like unlimited track 64 bit like come with plug ins, everything, and it's free to and only reason I haven't tried it yet because I don't have windows,

spk_0:   22:35
and I just thought about it. If if the dog is free, because to me, even if I'm giving something away for free, I still got to be able to market it. So where's your money coming from for marketing.

spk_1:   22:46
So wear my interview or something because, like no business gets into business to not make money in some way or even non profits if you're not generate revenue. You don't have a nonprofit that every now and then you'll have a benefactor with some parts just coming bankrolls your project. But I

spk_0:   23:11
just I could see them.

spk_1:   23:13
Man, Don't don't mention Don't mention no names of my city, okay? I'm just say I understand what you say. It is like you think a lot of people are just People overlooked it deaf.

spk_2:   23:29
When they build in abuses like

spk_1:   23:31
you don't make dollars, it don't make sense,

spk_0:   23:32
man. All right,

spk_3:   23:34
well, if it don't make sense, it don't make dollars. What

spk_0:   23:41
they go personas does. Oh, are they have the ability to do because they make the hardware and the software is like pretty much any prisoners product you buy comes bundled with Studio One right of the artist's version, which is the $99 conversion. Doesn't support that their party plug ins. But there's still a lot you can do with that and get started. I don't know how many. Even if Barrons you're adopted that model. I don't know how many interfaces bearings are really moving to put their dog.

spk_2:   24:06
That's why I said, What's the point?

spk_1:   24:08
So I'm just curious to hear from their perspective, because once again, this is in a start up company, right? This is a company that whatever they're profit margins are, whatever their revenue is, each year they're still in business. There's so they're still generate revenue. So I'm like, someone seems something that we can't see right now. All right, So I agree with what you're saying from my perspective, but also recognize you know what? We don't see what they're looking at. We wasn't in the meeting when the idea came up, cause I'm sure somebody said, How are we gonna make money from this? And I'm sure you know, there were some response.

spk_2:   24:46
I think somebody said, How can we get the dog and the like. Well, it's just create some any and give it away for free. But have any? They probably haven't thought about the money part

spk_1:   24:56
with those they trying todo trail it out there and if enough people a sticker price. But I'm saying, But even with that life, for example, I was trying to develop or get developed a mobile app for beets and bars and on the low end mobile APs like For what? I want it because I wanted to be a networking like communication app and and like a doll, Will you make beats on on the low end? We talking $20,000 think so. Think about how many think about how many free app center out there. It wasn't free to create it. So I'm telling you that there's there's a revenue model somewhere in there that we don't see like every free out that we've downloaded it cause someone thousands of dollars to do it. I can guarantee you they're making them money somehow.

spk_3:   25:46
So where is tickling you? Because

spk_0:   25:48
I just had this vision in my head of a free dog. But then there's like ads all over

spk_1:   25:54
breath. It's somehow, Weathers, I mean, ads is probably the most obvious way we can think. Oh, we could make money through, have inside, But somehow they're doing in some way you create a new track what they can do. The friend It could be a freemium dog, right? It could be like the Freemium version that popular Now we're like you give him some free and then it's like soon you just say so. You know, I I'm just tryinto. Look at the road of pontification is convinced is going to be trash.

spk_2:   26:31
She was just clouds at the sky. Full beard

spk_1:   26:34
way we came here. I don't even know bands of product. I don't even own any marriage a product, That's what I'll say. I'm not a fan boy. I'm just look as as a trump entrepreneur myself. And I'm trying to build the business. I'm starting to think differently about things. So

spk_2:   26:50
So meet those Are the facts what we just said. You don't all know Beard. Your pride. Do you

spk_3:   26:54
know I don't. I sold mine alone. Exactly.

spk_1:   26:58
I bought Barings your products before, But you're wrong one now. Know what? Making really? Don't try out a

spk_2:   27:04
dog if you don't own no beard,

spk_1:   27:06
Right? No. Won't note for my bedding and beets and bars. I would be interested in trying it out. Right. Because I need

spk_2:   27:12
what you going to put your go look for? The beers are dull.

spk_1:   27:15
I would check it out. Yeah, I mean it. Free. What? What do I lose currently? I'm not at my ideal setup that beats and Barnes is gonna be anyway, so I'm in the growing an incubation and building face anyway, so it was like, Boom, let me try this, then I'm saying, like, I've tried band lab tried soundtrack. I kind of got my thoughts and feelings on this little, like man. What else gonna do? What else can I try? You know, But face says it all

spk_0:   27:43
because you have some issues with I locked recently. Did you get that taken care of? Yeah, I remember some frustrating Texas coming through the group

spk_3:   27:52
chat. Um, it was like So I had upgraded protocols last year and they suggested you run your license through the cloud, you know? No new year. Why not? I don't know. Toil Got you, Um, protons. 19

spk_0:   28:10
2019. They renamed it to just the year

spk_3:   28:14
instead of

spk_1:   28:18
well, right. So when all the way up to 12 and then

spk_3:   28:22
at two, I think in 2017 they know maybe in 2013 or 14. They started naming them after the year. Cause Pro Tues. 12 is the last light number. And then after that, I started saying K pro Tools 2017 Pro tools. 18 pro tools. So I have now I have protests that threw me off, too. I'm like, Whoa, 19 What is coming? So But anyway, it's just named after the year, which is annoying. But also, I

spk_0:   28:48
don't You know how long it's been since you've upgraded.

spk_3:   28:51
Right? Right, Right, right, right, right. So long. Uh, what? But, um, so I'm running my license off the cloud. No problems, no problems. Because, you know, they say you don't have to put your eye laki up, which I still needed My lucky, because I'm running, um, auto tune your interest interest. So I'm running that their

spk_2:   29:10
own cloud that they that you store your license in pro tools. You can pretty much use it on anyone I compute.

spk_3:   29:19
Maybe if I sign into the eye lock manager like you do. If I sign into that license manager, that's

spk_2:   29:27
the cloud the license manager use pretty much,

spk_3:   29:30
yes, the license manager is linked. Those

spk_2:   29:33
long long as we got the license manager app on our computer. If she uses our computer logs in, she can use approach to

spk_0:   29:41
see so we no longer need a physical island. All are

spk_3:   29:45
correct. That's how they try to sell it. But wait. But it's like two for one. You made me get this. I larky and carry it for all this time. And now you tell me I don't need it. What's wrong with you? And then to the cloud crashed. And apparently this has happened before, ever since they came up with the cloud idea because I'm looking it up. China Thought was going on troubleshooting. It would protest, will open and close, open and closed. And then, after it's so much trouble shooting and researching, I realized that the license manager was not collect. The license manager APP was not connecting to its own server to validate my license. So everything it just wouldn't work and this happened. I think I was working on it like 9 p.m. At night, I stayed up to, like, 11. 30 trying to figure it out. And then, um, got up the next day to see if it fixed itself. It didn't went toe work and then finally got home after work. And that's when I think the problem has been resolved. So it was resolved within 24 hours, but it was just aggravating in that you don't know, and I wasn't going to do anything. Series. I was just checking on something in pro tools. But you know what? If somebody had a project due the next day and all of a sudden you know what I mean? And then they did get it fixed. But then as soon as a 60 I stole, I took My license is off the cloud, put him right back on my island. No eso now, you depended

spk_1:   31:13
on the network toe toe they

spk_3:   31:18
already own. That's like saying I

spk_1:   31:20
need the internet so into our No. Yeah. Based on this, I just got an idea for a news possible segment. I'm a pitch it out there in real time. You let me know what you think. So you know that you would not make faces. This'll is gonna be good. See? Not Charlotte Main on the breakfast club. Got donkey today, right? Like, you know, like we be crapping on cos sometimes. I mean, if they if they earn, if they deserve it, it will have it. We should have you button. Yeah, we eat either. Like we should meet them or should be like, here's our pro tool of the day. Get it? Get it

spk_3:   32:01
Is a little funny. You're

spk_1:   32:06
you're, uh hey, am a little bit falling right here. You know

spk_0:   32:11
about pro fools, because that's what I used to call girls.

spk_1:   32:14
No way that she immediately, like, nice, like, bang.

spk_3:   32:22
Because then it's like it puts pro tools in a bad light. Yeah, and

spk_1:   32:26
I'm good for a loan. We have a segment where we just highlight That's what you should not

spk_2:   32:31
company. We mutant fell down.

spk_1:   32:33
Companies accountable. May I mean, to be honest, like, kind of depth. So we talked about giving companies the second chances. Like like even the company we trap on. At some point, we didn't crap on him. It was like trying to

spk_2:   32:47
fix the issue. That wasn't a problem

spk_3:   32:51
like if you go make me continue

spk_2:   32:53
to buy a lock. When I lose my life,

spk_3:   32:56
just leave it at that. Don't try to create a network for me

spk_2:   32:59
to put my eye like on. So they went all Internet. Go there or yo, Clout crashed. I'm

spk_3:   33:06
crashed. No. And you still need one

spk_2:   33:08
of you two. Have I love?

spk_3:   33:10
Oh, I would have been shit out of luck. Hey, next. You're, what, 25 $30. Right, Right, right, right, right, right. Exactly. Um, no, I agree, eh? And then also to their other companies that use the eye lock license. You know what I mean? Like an tracks. All my auto tune stuff is on there. So I still needed my I like even using the pro tools, like

spk_2:   33:33
so they're not even eliminating all your other stuff, but they just only doing it for them.

spk_0:   33:38
I'm trying to think what I got that still on a lot because I recently got a plug in that made me go in the airlock. And I haven't been in my lock in a long time, cause Studio one doesn't use I like waves doesn't use I locked. There's some new plugging

spk_2:   33:50
I just forms. I am. They tried to fix issue that wasn't broken. You made anything they should go away from? I like all together.

spk_0:   33:58
Do you remember when you was at my house? You and I lock broke? Yep. Damn. I just finished working. And he came over to work on something, and he was like, Yet I likes not working out like it was literally working minutes ago. Because you get a new I lock you in the O r and D dollars, man. No way around it. So no way around it

spk_3:   34:18
and how I know it's a real problem. The forms that I found troubleshooting were from, like, two years ago. I'm like, So this has been a problem.

spk_1:   34:26
Okay. Jane Doe. Yeah. Yeah. So avid is the pro full of the day. Went well, what? Oh, I like I like my mad at my bad habit this time.

spk_0:   34:42
But what I got to ah tell you that. So I finally upgraded to USB 3.1. I'm a flash drive. I've been using the same flash drive for years, and it's been USB two point. Oh, and me and chaos is in here working and She passed me her hard drive and I hooked it up and the session just blown, like, went right on there. And I was like, What kind

spk_3:   35:03
of hard drives use literally to the point. I had the same flash

spk_0:   35:08
drive for years.

spk_1:   35:09
I'm disappointed. I'm surprised and disappointed

spk_0:   35:12
that I didn't really even moving sessions on two point. Oh, isn't that bad? But what it really hit me was when I move in the podcast over to the flash drive, then it takes like 20 minutes.

spk_1:   35:23
Oh, now, here's what you gotta be careful of now that you got three point. Oh, if you still have to point no flash drive, let's say you have ah USB two and the US beat three. Hard drive hooked up. The order in which you plug it in determines your transfer speed like I had to learn this star way. So let's say I got my USB too hard drive hooked up, and then I plug in my USB three hard drive. It's not gonna use the maximum USB three speed because I had a problem. I forgot who who ended up consulting with it, But I was like, Yo, why? Like This is USB three. Why's he taking so long? So, like transfer like a four gig file and, uh, they were telling me is like, Do you have another hard drive pull plug that was, like unplugged that one plug in the 3.1 1st and then plug in the other one? So the 3.0, basically becomes the master. So it was like just something to keep in my like, Could you would never think of that until it is like something out of the ordinary. Like two gigs definitely doesn't take like two minutes message.

spk_0:   36:34
So move into the main topics to get one time payment versus subscriptions. We we briefly touched on waves with their new music makers access and you know, I've got down here some other plugging cos in their subscription service. There's description prices versus the one time payments of just grown up. Making the one time payment like that's what I'm used to. I just I just couldn't see paying for my plug ins monthly like that would

spk_2:   37:03
some plug ins you don't even use monthly. So dead. To me, Dad's worth

spk_1:   37:07
a rift. Telling what, Mads, I didn't tell him what

spk_2:   37:09
you may I mean, if I'm praying for something every month that I probably don't use every month. So if you think about it like that, and why would you? Because, I mean, that's like a lot of one months of Scriptures. If I don't use it every month, my counselor, see, because I'm wasting my money.

spk_0:   37:27
And here's my if I'm using. Ah, if I'm using this prescription service for some plug ins and then I cancel it, don't I not have access to those plug ins of my session anymore?

spk_2:   37:35
Uh, depends on what? Using okay now? Yeah, because like, we're okay. You still get access to those sounds, and you could still use them. You just can't make it all changes, huh?

spk_1:   37:49
Let me tell you another problem that I have with them doing the bundles. One

spk_0:   37:55
of them is, in a

spk_1:   37:56
way, they're not making new plug ins anymore for these bundles. So, for example, so you know, it's like, brief leg, right? Like slate digital. Can you buy the 49 9? You get access to evening new plug ins that they come out with you, so that was like, you're like future proof with this?

spk_0:   38:16
No. Any any new plug in waves come out is gonna fit in a bundle somewhere. Maybe not

spk_1:   38:21
at all of these three, but But these are the three deaths on the paper, these into three that they have available right now.

spk_0:   38:28
Yeah, I think. I think I don't know a bundle of boxes in, but yeah, because it's gonna fit in the bundle somewhere. I forgot. There's a diamond, I think is the one that comes

spk_1:   38:36
with but Diamond. And if they're not all friends subscription on diamond, then waiters can.

spk_2:   38:42
Now that's the benefit to Slate. That's what I've always liked. The best life I haven't used. Because again, I don't see I haven't found a use for Slate. I will have to, you know, totally switch. Why use now to you, Slate? But with Slade Day, any new plug in they get you get it immediately or you have access

spk_1:   39:02
to it. You know the good thing real quick

spk_2:   39:04
from an ageist partner would ah instrument plague in V S t. Did they also include with those Plug it?

spk_1:   39:13
I did see that recently. I think they

spk_3:   39:15
were showing that we're

spk_2:   39:16
still using it Yeah, I just like some v s t is they include they bought or they partner with, like, a V S T service. And so you get those bloody years too. So now you get sounds.

spk_1:   39:28
I mean, they giving you value, right? Yeah. It's like, this is the way I look at it with sounds, that stuff. So let's say before that was splicing native instrument sounds. You know, I'm saying and you buy the construction kit, let's say $50 they come with 15 construction kids in it. The way I always financially justified it was, if only make one dope beat. I did this whole thing and sell it. Just that one beat. It's going for its name and we gotta talk about this on another episode two in terms of business structures. And, you know, I'm saying, like especially in a creative industry, how to, like, run. You're producing the engineering as a business. But the good thing is that it's a tax write off. Like when I do my taxes. When I'm listing all my expenses, all these subscriptions on it cause it for my business. You know, I'm saying so.

spk_0:   40:22
My biggest issue with the subscription service of waves is that waves Has sales all the time. Yeah. So this price that I've got listed here, $99 for the silver package, That's what That's the price. Right now, that price could go down to 69. They could go down 59. You never, you

spk_1:   40:40
know, is your perception of the value you get it.

spk_0:   40:43
But was not going to change is that's the script of that monthly subscription.

spk_3:   40:48
Gonna go down to match?

spk_1:   40:50
Yes. Oh, someone's You're gonna begin a real good deal. And some of them are still like school.

spk_3:   40:55
But And I just did the math. The platinum package of 20 a month versus 400 down. You would have paid that in a year. Now, a year in two months. Now I have to keep paying on it. Then that's just foolish, because that's not even including the interest that would occur if you miss a payment. You know, if they have one of those things going on. So me, especially with these price points on when you consider how much you can really spend on pro audio stuff, that's not that bad. $100 to 304 $100 like that's just really not that bad to just go ahead and buy him and have him. And now and really not have to worry about it.

spk_0:   41:35
And you can always this way with waves to as you can by the see over and an upgrade to the gold and upgrade upgrade from their

spk_2:   41:46
plug in the lives. They're crazy.

spk_1:   41:51
I tried a few plugging in line. Let's ecstasy out of the companies that are listed. So two questions we

spk_3:   41:59
have way of soft to plug in Alliance Mick, DSP and

spk_1:   42:03
Kush. Yep, so fair by out there. Listening slate not under its late digital is enough. And it may even be other companies that we don't know it, but just based on our sample audience sample size, if you will. For those of us, a dozen what? Anybody currently subscribe to any of the PLUGIN subscription models and then be whether you do or you. If you don't are any of these plug ins are you married enough to that you will be willing to try it with like, Yo, I gotta have my like the thing I noticed. That's not on here that I would do even if it was $25 a month. If you a d did it, No hesitation. 25. No hesitation. I would do the exam. I mean, expensive plug

spk_3:   42:49
in. Right. So if you are

spk_2:   42:51
you talking hole, nothing. Because that's the whole quality. That's quality. You paying for quality because those plug ins, they are very expensive, but they're worth every dime you spend on. So if you can get them for 25 months, even if you go prepare for the next 10 years, Yeah, I am steel killing. No value.

spk_0:   43:14
Yeah. Now, to answer your question, I do not subscribe to any law against what? Looking at this list, I have damn near everything from waves. I have damn near everything from soft. So, you know, needs, uh I have everything from Mick dsp. I don't have any Kush, and I think I got one Kush plugging in alliance. I've got they plug in Lyons. Slick has really good sales to was Well, you know, a couple plug ins.

spk_1:   43:38
I haven't been a s d, are they? They got Davey having some nice and you got, like, 80 90% off. You got classes on it, but

spk_0:   43:49
I got some class.

spk_1:   43:51
Yeah, I like that. I got, like, three shopping cart right now. Just imported trigger. Really That by now, like until I know what's going on with this pandemic that we're gonna get

spk_3:   44:06
him waiting for all the prices of everything to drop because I'm in a blessed position that I still I'm able to work from home. I know that's not everybody situation so but at any rate, I think at least with, like, plugging Alliance, I'm looking at it 7500 forming a bundle or $25 a month. I think that is, if you just kind of need something, you know what I mean? Say you're not just getting started, but you're looking to level up. I think that would be in if it's in your budget, like I don't have $7000 but I do have an extra $2030 a month. So I think getting a subscription in that regard would work because it's more about what you can afford in the time.

spk_0:   44:48
Yeah, but I don't know anyone paying 7500 for the mega bundle to get everything now to be when we want to say to be fair, but plugging alliance has all a lot of plug ins if you go on their site. But they're also like and I feel like when you have an abundance of plug ins, you have the issue like waves. Has so many plug ins plugging in line, said somebody looking over choice and not even know sociological phenomenon? No, but not just over choice. But just your choice. You know, you can give me 100 waves plug ins. I'm probably using 20 of, you know, it's kind of same way with what? Plug in? Yeah, Alliance was also the same thing with ease. Give me everything bundles like I'm not going to use everything you make. You

spk_1:   45:31
know what I really need? Like one plug in that I really want right now. The mog, uh, Mark four for Louis. Keep me in the air. The air. Uh, Switzerland may. Oh, yeah, I'm sure it is. It feels like a little different than just turning up, Tink A on a regular week, you'd like like a magic button on me.

spk_0:   45:54
And that's plug in. That's pulling an alliance does that. I've got the hardware e Q. What

spk_1:   46:00
it is to virgin. They got plugging the lines. Make one. But you lady, make one too, unless there Unless it made by the

spk_0:   46:07
same. And I kind of think they are. Because I know soft to make some stuff. It's like you crossed over to you way too, were actually

spk_1:   46:16
myself. Tube does the c l wanna be with with you

spk_0:   46:22
D Yeah, Maag stuff is killer. I've got their hardware compressor to That's what, um, Andrea, that when you were here in the studio with this chaos we're tracking through the mall, compressed. There's one of my favorite tracking compresses because it also has the air band and his compressor. It's the Magnum-K is a compressor, and then it has a compressor that does just like three k ish. Then it has a parallel e Q, which is the air band on there? And then it has a soft limiter on it. Like all this isn't one rack one rack space. But yeah, I love tracking vocals through that. Yeah, but the queue for that is that something that plug in alliance does not from my understanding, I'm think plug in alliance makes all of those plug ins. I think they just sell them anything. Like other companies? Yeah. Create them

spk_1:   47:15
like a D S. R

spk_0:   47:16
does The Kush. I didn't see anything for Kush that, like, for everything that total I got there, but not not out of all of these and not 99 a month is the is lowest, But I haven't I don't know. I know some of Kush plug ins, but I don't know if they have enough plug ins to carry the whole of what you everything that you would need as far as, like, e que compression delay reverb like lying to basic all of that. I don't know if they have all of that. No, they got some compressors and beacuse and I wonder if they have a reverb. But, you know, 9.99 is not bad, but

spk_1:   47:53
I mean the same thing and that you pay for a Spotify

spk_0:   47:56
subscription. Yeah, but I would still prefer to just let me just pay it one time. Yeah, let me just get it that way. It sounds like everybody is against subscription service is

spk_2:   48:08
Well, I guess I'm against the option. Yes. Plug ins. I think that people against subscription service

spk_3:   48:15
Because it is because we are sitting here like this is what we do. You know, this is not something that I you know what I mean? Like, I could be in great options for people who, like I'm

spk_1:   48:26
the mess around with it. Like, right now in there?

spk_3:   48:28
Yeah, like my knees. She thinks she wants to do engineering or a production. Maybe, maybe not. So to give her, like, a riel, like in look into what professional stuff looks like, Yeah, let's do this. 6 99 a month. So when you change your mind in about 23 months, at least I've only spent about 18 $20 what professional stuff costs a small plug from me. But I didn't want to shout this out, So I had a old laptop that has just been sitting in my house forever. And I guess I'm saying this to say this is part of a perfect situation in which I would say these subscriptions would be a good idea. So I have a friend. This friend has two boys, and they've been doing well, but of the father passed away a while. ago, and he himself was a producer and he worked with a lot of people, Ah, lot of Southern artists. But because he I think he signed off on a bad deal, he never saw a penny of his his work return to him and his stuff was on the radio and everything. So it's It's an unfortunate story in a common story that I find. So the son he just started playing snare in the marching band. Um, he's a freshman in high school this year, so he's into it. He's like, Yeah, I want to make beats. I want to do this They have old Akai Beat machine are midi controller that his father had. So he had almost everything he needed to get started. He has a love for music and he has a desire to make music. He was just missing that hardware. So, Mike, you know, I've been sent on this laptop that another guy's supposed to buy from me a long time ago. It has logic, has native instruments. It doesn't have the plug ins, but it has enough for him to get started. So I'm not You know what? Here, Here you go. So I gave that to him. He's over the moon about it. Like my friend hit me up like he won't stop playing with the organ thunder that I'm like. That's awesome. But for that situation and he's only a freshman high school, I would say these subscriptions are a good idea because I know my home girl does not have $400 to drop on. You know what I mean? Some quality plug ins. But when he's ready for that level, these would be a good option for them to explore. You know,

spk_0:   50:51
I can certainly say that.

spk_3:   50:52
I think that's when the few is to sit

spk_2:   50:55
in when he gets old enough. He has his own job is something you can just go ahead and empire, just bomb. And then now he got experience with all, um, you know what he like? Hey, gets like, uh, where I don't really like solitude. I'm going waves. You just gone. Party's dead damn bone. The inner

spk_3:   51:17
just have some validity to a succession. I

spk_1:   51:20
mean, it's the equivalent of of like, a trial version, because we all know we're self where there's no returns. I want you by plugging you can't be like I want my money back. And I'm saying so The only way to, like, try it before you quote unquote by it is the subscription thing. Could really you're not buying it. You're renting right is like one time versus subscription is the difference between renting. We're buying a house like that's really what it comes down to. Like if you've been running for 10 years, you finally decide I'm ready to buy. None of your rank goes towards buying that new houses, just like you pay for what? You need it in that moment. And then

spk_0:   52:03
I heard someone say one time that you're not paying for the plug in your paying for the license, uh,

spk_1:   52:10
to use it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, a man like that. Semantics e Just like I mean, let's not split hairs here. Pat came in rocking his l a. Heady too. And you should have shot it out when you're so much a trip man. Like I came back, I didn't about a hoodie, Only true house. Oh, yeah. Yes is a gift. I got like, four l a like caps. So we're We're fact about me not weird But whenever I go to a new city, I always gotta get, like, at least one cap baseball cap or basketball, like with that team city, you know? I mean, with that city seam on it. So I got, like, i for l. A James.

spk_0:   52:58
See, uh, and I didn't say weird thing about me is I don't like to where are buy shirts that has, like, other cities that I have no affiliation with. So, like, if I see your shirt, this is like New York, and I'm like, I'm not from New York. I Well, I don't want this.

spk_1:   53:15
Even if you were like visiting and it was like a souvenir from your number, you wouldn't do

spk_0:   53:21
definitely not a gift shop type. Now my mom is

spk_3:   53:23
I'll bring your shirt back and I'm like, You

spk_0:   53:25
weren't here, But but no. Like, uh, if it's a team, that's

spk_1:   53:33
But you don't much of rep in this city. And

spk_0:   53:35
yeah, like, just like what was that? Orlando, I'm in Orlando, and I'm, you know, at the shopping mall, kind of crazy. Their model doesn't close until 11 o'clock at night. Yeah, but so I'm in there shopping, and you know, Here's a shirt with says New York has got the New York skyline and all that. And I'm like, Okay, I'm not from New York. I'm not gonna Not gonna Where this? Well, no, it's just me.

spk_1:   54:03
Anybody else have a weird fact they would like to share about themselves. So we're not just out here hanging on the cliff by yourself.

spk_3:   54:09
Now we're going T o

spk_0:   54:13
subscription service is, I guess is, you know, been around for a few years now, and I guess it's probably likely where everything is only

spk_2:   54:21
gonna get worse is going, especially with what we're going through now.

spk_0:   54:25
Owen, Listen, let's also, um, point out to that like you were saying before we hit record. That is not just plugging is like you could get dogs on subscription to you said pro tools. That one who's gone one. And I think through gobbler you can get studio. But I think the studio wants everyone

spk_2:   54:41
to say logic. I want to

spk_1:   54:43
I don't know about that or they lay about. So I'll give you a quick note that

spk_0:   54:49
I don't I don't see apple doing that,

spk_1:   54:52
but but, you know, But to be fair, having guests of Scriptures on anybody's got payment plans on like that. I can see after doing it because they don't need the money from logic Apple makes. So that's why, because you remember e magic own logic first, Yeah, larger. But so when Apple first board it, I think logic went down to 1000 then not very long after it went down to 500 not very long after that, it went down to 200. It's like it's an added value for their hard word. To be honest, to be totally honest, I wouldn't be surprised if logic just replaced. Garage Man is like the one that's included with the program. But even if that you can do so much wit garage band, that is like, Yo, if somebody just messes around and like, Yeah, I'm saying like, Oh, I think I might like this. Oh, you might like a bit.

spk_2:   55:48
Nothing pass out so much as I love about some apples.

spk_0:   55:52
Put your put your CEO had songs. What would be your monthly subscription for logic? Because it only cost $200

spk_3:   55:58
c No. Okay, Yeah,

spk_1:   56:02
yeah, I don't even think I mean that that point didn't make logic free.

spk_2:   56:06
I'm saying I think that's what they should do. Yeah, if you buy a computer, you get logic.

spk_1:   56:13
But don't and but my only come back to that because I was just thinking and saying that aloud, since it already comes with GarageBand, unless you're just gonna retire the garage man program, you

spk_2:   56:25
said, I guess everybody know that. Use garage men. Some of them have larger go on a computer. But they say garageband is more user friendly.

spk_3:   56:38
I can see that garage man is more friendlier. Yeah, logic is not as much thio

spk_1:   56:48
plug ins. Yeah, they might

spk_2:   56:50
use them plug ins. They just recording doing, like, scratches. Because I know people with logic on and they steal use garage because it is easier for them to navigate.

spk_1:   57:01
Oh, I'm sorry. Sign. So I know Sometime we talked about, like, our pet peeves and stuff. So for lady to garage man. So I had an artist. I mean, I'm

spk_3:   57:11
just saying, like, topic right here, way over there before she

spk_1:   57:20
even threw shade at me. I say this is related history, man. You know what failures up listeners? I'm sorry, but you're just gonna have to do without now, because we have a hater in our mist. And she ruined it for you. He was really going to enjoy this story. But no, I'm not. Now,

spk_3:   57:38
Okay? Yes. All right. Yes. Why

spk_1:   57:41
wipe your tears later? All right. Anyway, not matter. Let her steal that from anyway. Long story short. So yeah, I'm saying I'm telling the story. It better not be edited out anyway, So a studio owner who knows I have logic ax me. Could I basically export these files from garage band so you can import man approaches? Turns out that wrapper that recorded themselves recorded literally every take on a different track and didn't consolidate any, Um, so I had to export, like, 40 some tracks just for, like, a three verse song.

spk_0:   58:21
What does GarageBand times down?

spk_1:   58:25
I think I mean, I can't I mean, I did like half of I mean, it wasn't difficult. It was time consuming.

spk_0:   58:32
Most dogs the time stamp the file. So if you even if you don't consolidate and you just drop it in another dog, you can I know Studio one has an option called move to Origin, which is gonna move the file to the original place that it was recorded it so

spk_1:   58:45
No, he knows I didn't do it right. The first time artist that wannabe engineers, But anywhere

spk_3:   58:51
on a final No, I did just do the math on the Kush description. It would take you 11 years. If you do the 999 a month versus the 1400 for everything will take you 11 years. So that's kind of not bad. Yeah,

spk_0:   59:05
you're not 99. I mean, they're all doable, but just thinking about this you can easily spin just what we got on this paper here. What, $75 a month? If you want to get ways if you want to get soft, too, if you want to get everything and then you add all that up. Now you've just got your pain and $75 a month person plug ins from different from different companies.

spk_2:   59:29
So you figure out what you're not using.

spk_0:   59:32
Yeah, if you use subscription service is let us know why. It's

spk_3:   59:36
because we're very tar. Bias is very quiet.

spk_2:   59:40
Well, I think that's because all of us have I mean, at this point, probably doing it so long, so long We, like,

spk_0:   59:48
just bought it already is. Why not invest in yourself? So, listeners, if you use a subscription service, hit us up in the Facebook group and let us know why I would love to and what you use and what you use. You have loved to continue this discussion group feeders up podcast. Pretty simply. Go ahead and wrap this. Appreciate y'all listening Like we said, Join us Feeders up podcast on our new Facebook group. You can reach us a favors, a podcast at yahoo dot com,

spk_3:   1:0:19
and I'm Czar Chaos. O'Shea signing out, and we'll catch up next time.